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	<title>Comments on: Camera Profiles and the ColorChecker Passport &#8212; The What, Why and How</title>
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		<title>By: Lu</title>
		<link>http://prairiefireproductions.com/2009/11/colorchecker-passport-custom-camera-profiles-the-how-and-why/comment-page-1/#comment-2045</link>
		<dc:creator>Lu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 08:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Color meters are useful for eliminating color crossover by matching studio strobes and strobes to sunlight. I&#039;m not adept at photoshop so this eliminates costly or time consuming color fixes. Since color changes as flash tubes age, a color meter helps to consistantly produce professional images in the shortest time possible, especially for faster turn-around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Color meters are useful for eliminating color crossover by matching studio strobes and strobes to sunlight. I&#8217;m not adept at photoshop so this eliminates costly or time consuming color fixes. Since color changes as flash tubes age, a color meter helps to consistantly produce professional images in the shortest time possible, especially for faster turn-around.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Bradshaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Bradshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 11:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was also taught by PPA Master Photographer Don Emmerik in the early days of digital photography to set my kelvin temperature on the camera and correct from a known value later. What this does is standardize the &quot;processing&quot; of the images, just like film days and allows one the be consistent. If you would like to read a book to see how a system of digital processing would work and the reasons for it, read &quot;Black &amp; White Pipeline&quot; by Ted Dillard and you&#039;ll understand why standardization is important. When we calibrate our monitors we are standardizing them, Right?  Talk to Eddie Tapp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was also taught by PPA Master Photographer Don Emmerik in the early days of digital photography to set my kelvin temperature on the camera and correct from a known value later. What this does is standardize the &#8220;processing&#8221; of the images, just like film days and allows one the be consistent. If you would like to read a book to see how a system of digital processing would work and the reasons for it, read &#8220;Black &amp; White Pipeline&#8221; by Ted Dillard and you&#8217;ll understand why standardization is important. When we calibrate our monitors we are standardizing them, Right?  Talk to Eddie Tapp.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Herzberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Herzberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 13:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
I&#039;ve yet to remove a profile so I&#039;m not sure which profile will show up when working on an image whose custom profile was removed. It will probably be one of the Adobe standards. I&#039;ve sent the question to friends at X-Rite and will post their answer when I receive it. Or, I will experiment and post an answer myself.

However, I do know that you can change the RAW image in any way you want. Like all other RAW adjustments, the profile simply becomes a part of the &quot;instruction set&quot; that travels with the RAW image. It does not touch or alter a pixel in any way. That is the beauty of RAW processing. That&#039;s why the profiles are simply very accurate starting points. Where we go from there is driven by our artistic vision.

Steve

UPDATE: I got a very quick response from Joe Brady of the MAC Group who is their X-Rite expert. My answer above is correct. (Whew!) So long as we are dealing with RAW files EVERYTHING can be changed. And, when the profile is removed, there will be a default to an Adobe profile (or you can choose whatever profile you want.)

Joe throws in one important detail -- once you convert from RAW to any other format, be it .tiff, .jpeg, or .psd -- that profile becomes embedded and nothing will change if the X-Rite profile is deleted.

Joe points out one last thing. As the article mentions, WB is separate and distinct from the profile; they work together -- but they are not tied together. Color temperature can always be changed, without regard to the file type.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve yet to remove a profile so I&#8217;m not sure which profile will show up when working on an image whose custom profile was removed. It will probably be one of the Adobe standards. I&#8217;ve sent the question to friends at X-Rite and will post their answer when I receive it. Or, I will experiment and post an answer myself.</p>
<p>However, I do know that you can change the RAW image in any way you want. Like all other RAW adjustments, the profile simply becomes a part of the &#8220;instruction set&#8221; that travels with the RAW image. It does not touch or alter a pixel in any way. That is the beauty of RAW processing. That&#8217;s why the profiles are simply very accurate starting points. Where we go from there is driven by our artistic vision.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
<p>UPDATE: I got a very quick response from Joe Brady of the MAC Group who is their X-Rite expert. My answer above is correct. (Whew!) So long as we are dealing with RAW files EVERYTHING can be changed. And, when the profile is removed, there will be a default to an Adobe profile (or you can choose whatever profile you want.)</p>
<p>Joe throws in one important detail &#8212; once you convert from RAW to any other format, be it .tiff, .jpeg, or .psd &#8212; that profile becomes embedded and nothing will change if the X-Rite profile is deleted.</p>
<p>Joe points out one last thing. As the article mentions, WB is separate and distinct from the profile; they work together &#8212; but they are not tied together. Color temperature can always be changed, without regard to the file type.</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 09:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this article. Do you have any experiences in deleting profiles and working on the files afterwards? Like, what profile will LR show when the profile doesn&#039;t exist anymore, and can you still chance things like WB?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this article. Do you have any experiences in deleting profiles and working on the files afterwards? Like, what profile will LR show when the profile doesn&#8217;t exist anymore, and can you still chance things like WB?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Herzberg</title>
		<link>http://prairiefireproductions.com/2009/11/colorchecker-passport-custom-camera-profiles-the-how-and-why/comment-page-1/#comment-697</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Herzberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, there are a lot of reasons I think my color meter is one of my most important tools.

First, I never use Auto White balance; following the teachings of Jim DiVitale, I use one WB per lighting set up and stick with it. Then I do a batch correction.

Second, there are many time when I shoot and using a Gray Card will not work -- especially shooting sports in stadiums with odd lights or in places with multiple types of lights/mixed lights. I take a Kelvin reading, set the camera, and remember the Kelvin reading. I then dial it in in ACR as a starting point. I have found lighting temperatures I never knew existed and for which Auto did not work and for which  there was no camera preset -- like some forms of sodium vapor lights.

Third, there are times when you go into an environment and are going to used added flash to create direction or clean up the light. I use the color meter to find the ambient temperature and then gel the flash to match it. I could not do this without the meter.

In the studio, or with normal outdoor shooting, I don&#039;t use the color meter -- no need to. My Profoto lights are dead on when it comes to WB. And, I usually use a preset for sunny or cloudy outdoors.

Summary: The color meter is invaluable in odd, changing or mixed light situations, when one is shooting in multiple environments, or when one needs to figure out how to gel a light source to bring it into conformity with others. 

Thanks for raising this topic. 

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, there are a lot of reasons I think my color meter is one of my most important tools.</p>
<p>First, I never use Auto White balance; following the teachings of Jim DiVitale, I use one WB per lighting set up and stick with it. Then I do a batch correction.</p>
<p>Second, there are many time when I shoot and using a Gray Card will not work &#8212; especially shooting sports in stadiums with odd lights or in places with multiple types of lights/mixed lights. I take a Kelvin reading, set the camera, and remember the Kelvin reading. I then dial it in in ACR as a starting point. I have found lighting temperatures I never knew existed and for which Auto did not work and for which  there was no camera preset &#8212; like some forms of sodium vapor lights.</p>
<p>Third, there are times when you go into an environment and are going to used added flash to create direction or clean up the light. I use the color meter to find the ambient temperature and then gel the flash to match it. I could not do this without the meter.</p>
<p>In the studio, or with normal outdoor shooting, I don&#8217;t use the color meter &#8212; no need to. My Profoto lights are dead on when it comes to WB. And, I usually use a preset for sunny or cloudy outdoors.</p>
<p>Summary: The color meter is invaluable in odd, changing or mixed light situations, when one is shooting in multiple environments, or when one needs to figure out how to gel a light source to bring it into conformity with others. </p>
<p>Thanks for raising this topic. </p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://prairiefireproductions.com/2009/11/colorchecker-passport-custom-camera-profiles-the-how-and-why/comment-page-1/#comment-695</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mentioned in your article that you sometimes use a Kelvin reading from your color meter.  That&#039;s OK if you have a good reason, but I can&#039;t imagine what it is.  If you&#039;ve got a gray balance card there&#039;s no advantage to this step at all.  As soon as the white balance eyedropper is used in ACR the &quot;as shot&quot; kelvin is ignored by ACR.  Besides, if you preset your camera with a kelvin setting then you will not have the camera&#039;s auto WB (as opposed the ACR&#039;s auto setting) as an &quot;as shot&quot; option, which can be handy sometimes.  I think it makes much more sense to sell your color meter on Ebay and save yourself a useless step.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mentioned in your article that you sometimes use a Kelvin reading from your color meter.  That&#8217;s OK if you have a good reason, but I can&#8217;t imagine what it is.  If you&#8217;ve got a gray balance card there&#8217;s no advantage to this step at all.  As soon as the white balance eyedropper is used in ACR the &#8220;as shot&#8221; kelvin is ignored by ACR.  Besides, if you preset your camera with a kelvin setting then you will not have the camera&#8217;s auto WB (as opposed the ACR&#8217;s auto setting) as an &#8220;as shot&#8221; option, which can be handy sometimes.  I think it makes much more sense to sell your color meter on Ebay and save yourself a useless step.</p>
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